Tuesday, April 11, 2017

the atheist need to dey the beliver's experience


from Cadre blog "shreds of evidence"

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Skeptical has a desperate need to impose his own narrative on my life explaining my belief in his terms,


Blogger Joe Hinman said...
how can you prove you have objective evidence?


- The key thing about objective evidence is that it isn't private. It isn't dependent on my mental state or any delusions, illusions, or hallucinations I might have. It is subject to verification.

bit it really i in the final analysis as an epistemology. Because you are always jutting through your own perceptions. Besides that just because there are supposedly objective facts that are less subjective than other states of mind that does no tmean all subjective states are invalid, untrue, or disproved.


how did belief answer when I didn't believe?


- Unless you are lying, you did indeed believe as a result of this experience, if not before. You were probably deceiving yourself by claiming to be a non-believer.

that is bull shit, you are no position of evaluate that I am its crap,. I was totally committed to atheism and ware of the possibility and guarded against it. Its the kind of thing you say when you are alarmed about the conversion of someone from your side,


You ceded intellectual satisfaction in favor of the psychological comfort that comes from submitting to belief.

First of all you are in no position to judge my intellectual acuity,I am far superior to you an intellectual. You know nothing. You have not been through the mill as I have,you are My learning towers over yours. you are an arrogant prick badly read and badly reasoned and you think you it all because you fill your head with atheist drivel.

It never occur to you that something could have changed my mind about things. Something wired happened that stripped away my sense of reality. you so desperately need to pretend you are so much smarter than all Christians. You could never think of that. It upended all confidence I had in th smug little bull shit of atheism.
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Blogger im-skeptical said...
bit it really i in the final analysis as an epistemology.
- Of course. Empiricism is an epistemology. A legitimate one, as opposed to faith.


I was totally committed to atheism and ware of the possibility and guarded against it. Its the kind of thing you say when you are alarmed about the conversion of someone from your side,
- What you are saying is that for you, atheism was like a religion. You you were committed to an ideology (of some kind), not to a search for truth wherever it might be found. That ideological zeal you had for atheism is not descriptive of what I feel. I don't get alarmed if someone turns away, but I understand that people like you who claim to be ex-atheists never really had a solid scientific understanding of the world. If they did, they couldn't suddenly start believing in miracles and supernatural beings and whatnot. Those things don't fit with that kind of understanding.


It never occur to you that something could have changed my mind about things. Something wired happened that stripped away my sense of reality. you so desperately need to pretend you are so much smarter than all Christians. You could never think of that. It upended all confidence I had in th smug little bull shit of atheism.
- Sure, something weird happened to you. And it played right into your belief system which includes miracles and supernatural beings and whatnot. This is what I've been trying to tell you. You always believed in those things, but you were telling yourself that you didn't. If you really had a scientific understanding of the world, and you didn't believe in those things, then your "experience" would have been interpreted quite differently.
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Blogger Joe Hinman said...
was totally committed to atheism and ware of the possibility and guarded against it. Its the kind of thing you say when you are alarmed about the conversion of someone from your side,

- What you are saying is that for you, atheism was like a religion. You you were committed to an ideology (of some kind), not to a search for truth wherever it might be found.

you have no idea what I was committed to you know nothing about me.


That ideological zeal you had for atheism is not descriptive of what I feel. I don't get alarmed if someone turns away, but I understand that people like you who claim to be ex-atheists never really had a solid scientific understanding of the world.

you equate science with atheism that proves you really understand science in the final analysis. Science is not part of atheism. Atheism in the 60s and 70s was not a science cult, as it is today, Science is your religion it's your replacement for God, it was not like that for atheists in my day.

If they did, they couldn't suddenly start believing in miracles and supernatural beings and whatnot. Those things don't fit with that kind of understanding.

that stuff comes when you experience it,I used to think people who belie e in such things were cracked. then I experienced the reality of it.

(JOE):"It never occur to you that something could have changed my mind about things. Something wired happened that stripped away my sense of reality. you so desperately need to pretend you are so much smarter than all Christians. You could never think of that. It upended all confidence I had in th smug little bull shit of atheism."

- Sure, something weird happened to you. And it played right into your belief system which includes miracles and supernatural beings and whatnot.

I din't have that mentality, I had your little fear of feelings,I told myself I was a Vulcan. I was a social science guy, i wanted to be sociologist. I knew a lot about sociology I read prodigiously and I had lots of social science based explanations for the nature of religion; I did not believe in any thing like miracles and I thought people who did were borderline insane.

This is what I've been trying to tell you. You always believed in those things, but you were telling yourself that you didn't.

that is bull shit. The fact that you have to resort to that kind of crap proves you are desperate to avoid the reality.

If you really had a scientific understanding of the world, and you didn't believe in those things, then your "experience" would have been interpreted quite differently.

you change your beliefs when you see. unless you are a fool and you can;t accept truth.did I tell you about the ER guys and my father and the readings changed when we prayed.? Objective facts I can;t deny because whole room full of medical people saw it,
a whole two ambulances fullof ER guys say it,
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